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Post by nstinson2004 on Jun 14, 2005 10:13:19 GMT -5
The biggest issue is whether we should allow times with trubo controllers or not.... You can tap the button faster with your finger, but not as consistently and with the same kind of precision and control...
if we did not allow it, then I guess that I would not add any old Cart times because I do not know if they used turbo controllers or not....
thoughts?
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Post by firephoenix on Jun 14, 2005 11:17:14 GMT -5
Well, it's kind of hard to know whether someone's using a turbo controller or not. But I would have no problem banning turbo controllers if the site is going to be based on trust. However given that we already have a database of times that may or may not have used turbo controllers it would be hard to implement a change now, unless we were to start from scratch with the records. I don't know, I have mixed feelings on this issue. I'm sure something will be worked out.
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Post by mrguru on Jun 14, 2005 16:09:43 GMT -5
I don't care at all if we allow turbo controllers. It's impossible to get even close to a WR Cart time with one, so I really don't see why it's a bother. Use one in Hover / Plane, and you'll go zero mph.
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Post by Simon on Jun 15, 2005 19:40:12 GMT -5
Personally, I would rather opt for a site that disallows the use of turbo controllers, due to a few reasons. For one, I would find it very unfair to come across the site, only to find out that I don't possess the optimal equipment to come reasonably close to WR times no matter how hard I try. I think basically that the competition should be accessible to everyone who owns a plain copy of the game, a N64 and a controller, regardless of the extra features that it provides; this is solely a matter of equity (which is anyway found to be emphasized by the observation that different brands of turbo controllers have different frequencies for their turbo function). As it appears now, I am using a controller that possesses the turbo function, and I did some testing on Ancient Lake a few days ago, since I was curious to see to what extent it could help me get faster times. The results were rather shocking. Whereas I currently have a fastest 3-lap PR of 45"70 (tapping the A button manually) on AL, I drove a race of ~44"60 on one of my first trials only by taking advantage of the turbo function (I actually paused the race a few inches before the finish line, so you can take or leave 0"05 off that time). I'm pretty certain that my racing line was better in the 45"70 run than in the 44"60 one, and thus it makes little doubt to me that allowing turbo controllers would be discriminatory towards those who are in the impossibility to use one. (for whatever reason, including unwillingness and/or money) I think a good compromise would be to include separate charts purposedly reserved for cart times achieved with turbo controllers. It would give the opportunity to those who have for long used it to keep competing for fast times (including players from the older DKR site(s) if this applies), while it would make it clear to new comers that times submitted to the other cart charts (non-turbo) must, indeed, not be driven with the turbo function. This is just my personal opinion.
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Post by mrguru on Jun 15, 2005 19:46:07 GMT -5
Like I said, I personally don't care, because it WILL NOT net you a Cart WR, ever. I guess if you think it is a cookie-cutter approach to getting mildly good times, I might have to agree.
I'll have to think about it more, but I am leaning towards not allowing them.
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Post by firephoenix on Jun 15, 2005 19:56:01 GMT -5
I'm curious, seeing as how all my cart times are apparently really, really bad. How fast should you be able to tap A. I thought I tapped it pretty fast (5-6 times per second) but apparently not. I don't see how I can get anywhere near WRs without tapping A alot faster.
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Post by mrguru on Jun 15, 2005 20:04:20 GMT -5
I used to tap at around that speed, if not slightly faster. Every turbo controller I've ever used is MUCH slower than that. (Comparitvely)
If I remember right, the absolute fastest I could ever get on Ancient Lake with a turbo controller was something in the mid to high 44s. *shrugs* I played it quite a bit too.
So I suppose it would help a ton if you suck at tapping A.
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Post by firephoenix on Jun 15, 2005 20:34:08 GMT -5
I used to tap at around that speed, if not slightly faster. Hmmm... wtf am I doing wrong? When I'm tapping A really, really fast, the speedometer barely goes past 90 mph... yet I heard WR pace is like 120 Is this true?
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Post by mrguru on Jun 15, 2005 20:39:28 GMT -5
With 10 bananas and powersliding, yes. With zero bananas and going straight forward, you shouldn't be much over 90.
Turning is faster than going straight (in DKR, anyway).
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Post by nstinson2004 on Jun 15, 2005 21:31:30 GMT -5
how do you do the powersliding in cart? I'm KINDA getting it down on hover...
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Post by mrguru on Jun 15, 2005 21:33:16 GMT -5
You can powerslide in a hover? That's news to me!
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Post by nstinson2004 on Jun 15, 2005 21:33:52 GMT -5
kind of! the sliding thing makes you go faster sometimes, it especially helps on tight corners like in greenwood village:)
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Post by mrguru on Jun 15, 2005 21:37:31 GMT -5
I'm sure you know of powersliding in a cart. Simply hold R and turn.
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Post by nstinson2004 on Jun 15, 2005 21:44:43 GMT -5
yes but it doesnt do any good! why?
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Post by mrguru on Jun 15, 2005 21:47:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to answer that; because it DOES do good. For years and years I didn't powerslide, and then finally learned how to do it and saved seconds off of all my cart times.
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Post by nstinson2004 on Jun 15, 2005 21:51:23 GMT -5
well I mean I can't do it well;)
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Post by mrguru on Jun 15, 2005 21:54:04 GMT -5
Practice, practice, practice!
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Post by nstinson2004 on Jun 15, 2005 21:55:27 GMT -5
i thought you were supposed to be talking to ye?
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Post by mjf314 on Jun 15, 2005 22:57:36 GMT -5
I don't care at all if we allow turbo controllers. It's impossible to get even close to a WR Cart time with one
I've seen people say that several times but I still don't understand why, can you explain this? Is there a certain way you're supposed to tap A? Do turbo controllers tap too slow? What if you get a turbo controller than taps 20 or 30 times per second, then is it possible to get world records?
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Post by nstinson2004 on Jun 15, 2005 23:05:36 GMT -5
i wish mine would tap that fast, but it is really dang slow, its just consistent so I dont have to take my thumb off and use my middle finger to tap faster, so its more convenient (i tap faster with my middle finger)
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